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Poster: debris_slide Date: Mar 9, 2011 8:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Greetings.

The grateful dead have been a part of my musical reality since I've been 17 years old...I'm now 24. For the past 7 years the dead have always been in regular rotation...sometimes the dead have been the ONLY music I've listened to for months at a time.

long story short...The Grateful Dead kick incredible amounts of ass.

For the past couple weeks I've been finding my ipod wheel constantly slipping into some some hot and sometimes rainy June nights from 1985...a year before my birth.

The reason I bring it up is because I'm curious...obviously its been documented by some that the whole summer was really a huge party for those in the scene and those in the band. Besides the crazy setlists...what is that special flavor of 85? What about June?

There is a definite sense of danger and pure abandon in some of the performances. While Jerry is majorly "on" and reaching some serious breakthroughs in his approach to melody and playing..he also has some less than stellar moments and his voice is a big problem for some (not myself).

Listening to this show today I was struck by Bobby's playing throughout. While not all that technicly profound...he is really working out some interesting ideas on guitar..especially in the "Birdsong" where he basicly takes the lead for the jam with his weird guitar effect. Bobby is soloing...controlling the jam for a good period of the song. His vocals at the end of "Estimated Prophet" are borderline ridiculous. I start to think, what about the vibe of the tour or the vibe in the rain at Alpine made Bobby take some seriously risky musical choices?

Anyways...here's the show I was rocking out to today in my car whilst working...just thought I'd finally sign up for an account and share some of these thoughts with people who actually were into the band.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-06-21.sbd.barbella.11492.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: user unknown Date: Mar 10, 2011 10:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

You guys really know how to welcome a new member "into the fold", or is it really know how to scare folks off?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 10, 2011 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Personally, if my first post had spawned such an enthusiastic discussion, both on subject and WAY OFF subject, I think I'd stick around.

This thread has been a classic example of the useful interplay amongst knowledgeable and generous contributors existing alongside the juvenille ramblings of immature buffoons (trust me, I am well aware of which group I have fallen into today).

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 10, 2011 11:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

i am a generous contributor of buffoonery (hence, i fall within both categories)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 10, 2011 10:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

As a fellow knowledgeable and generous contributor I salute this typically insightful display of perspicacity on your part.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 10, 2011 11:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

per·spi·cac·i·ty [pur-spi-kas-i-tee]
–noun
> keenness of mental perception and understanding; discernment; penetration.

I'm gonna go with the whole understanding thing if you don't mind. Guess which one Dire will pick?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 10, 2011 11:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

discernment??? no??? that was not the option you were thinking?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 10, 2011 11:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Suggesting that there might have been thinking going on is perhaps being overgenerous on your part, furball.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 10, 2011 11:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

thinking IS admittedly one of my weak points

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 10, 2011 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Wasn't you I had in mind, my good man.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 10, 2011 11:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Wow. Tough room tonight.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 10, 2011 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Actually one of the most enjoyable rooms I've been in for a while. Going to have to duck out and feed the family. Keep it warm for me, SDH.

;-)

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Poster: user unknown Date: Mar 11, 2011 2:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

wolf...furball

seemd like a logical connection

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 11, 2011 3:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

A mere term of endearment, as it were, and not a calling out in any way.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Mar 11, 2011 3:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

And to you Sir, I raise a glass of the nectar created by James & John Chivas. Hope you have a pleasurable week-end.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 10, 2011 11:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

realized that 'after' i hit the post button. see - i wasnt using my "thinking" capabilities (or lack therof)

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Poster: high flow Date: Mar 10, 2011 11:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Did you ask "guess which one Dire will prick?"?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 10, 2011 12:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Dire only pricks the pompous balloons.

Hi, Flow!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 10, 2011 10:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Seriously. I'll be surprised if he posts again ...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 10, 2011 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Maybe yes. Maybe no.

But hell's teeth, 1985?

That takes chutzpah.


:-)

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Poster: debris_slide Date: Mar 10, 2011 11:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Well...ahem...it seems people have been busy since my late night post last night.

It's great to come home after work and have a genuinely good time reading everyone's input..or output..or whatever...the point is that I'll be sticking around.

Now it's time to relax and begin writing a paper...while enjoying keith's first show once again.

ps: I'm glad my post was able to bring up some great memories for some of you...tour stories never grow old for someone like myself who only has blissfully ignorant ideas and fantasies of what it was like during this tour...let alone the 70's.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 10, 2011 12:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

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This post was modified by direwolf0701 on 2011-03-10 20:49:20

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 10, 2011 11:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Wow, you're back! You survived the hazing. Don't let 'em discourage you from talking about 1985. There are people here who are fans of every era of the Dead's music.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Mar 10, 2011 6:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

This is actually the nicest welcome I've ever seen.

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Poster: Skobud Date: Mar 10, 2011 11:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Welcome aboard.

85 blows.

Can I call you Rob?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Mar 10, 2011 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Hi ds. I love, love, love June '85 GD. It's probably that bonding moment as those where my first tapes and I was just getting into the scene. The second set of the 24th and the 2nd of 7-1 are my favs. There is a certain manic, loopy, trip w/ your head, abandon that I love. Healy's machinations add to '85 unlike almost every other year. Insectiod space anyone?
This second set is also yummy,

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-11-21.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.105992.flac16

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Mar 9, 2011 11:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

I was at some of those June '85 shows. Maybe others will confirm or deny this, but it seems to me through the vague mists of memory that it was really about then that the band was starting to get more widely popular -- more "seas of tie dye" and all -- so that it was actually happening before the "Touchhead" phenomenon. Maybe something about the 20th anniversary, or just a kind of reinvigoration of 60s esthetic/ideals that was in the air then (perhaps as a reaction to the whole Reagan/mall bunny/yuppie thing) ... or maybe it's just me and how I remember it! We all have our little worlds. (For instance, I don't remember the '80s as a time of big hair. Selective attention, I guess.)

Haven't revisited the shows for a while, but it was pretty transcendent to hear Cryptical live (even if it's so croaky in retrospect). I think I've read that Jerry was specifically searching for an older song to bring back to basically mark the anniversary, one that Deadheads would appreciate and enjoy, and he hit on the Crypticals. I'll see if I can find that quote somewhere.

Welcome! It's so cool that people still discover this band. You've got good taste :-)

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Poster: dirtybuck Date: Mar 10, 2011 4:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

6-15-85 Greek Theater....
Good old Grateful Dead.
I only missed a few shows that year.
That's my favorite. Springfield was smokin' too.
Sorry no links.

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Mar 10, 2011 5:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Welcome aboard!!

Summer 85 was my one and only time doing a whole tour!
I know that makes my opinion very biased.
One of, if not the best vacation I ever had. It was without a doubt a fun time to be a deadhead! As AR noted, this was a time when there seemed to be a big increase in the popularity of the band. I guess I was a part of that as my first show was only the year before. Because this was my "era", I have a fondness for mid 80s that I know alot of other folks don't share. I personally feel like this whole tour just crackles with energy and I enjoy revisiting it on a fairly regular basis. Listening to these shows is like visiting an old friend. There is just a certain comfort level that makes me smile!!

My favorites from this tour....

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-06-24.mtx.pytlik.32310.sbeok.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-06-30.mtx.seamons.94642.sbeok.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-07-01.composite.torbjorn.17350.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: Pig Street ! Date: Mar 10, 2011 7:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Welcome, I understand how a lot of the younger heads can say things positive about 85'. I agree there were some standouts as mentioned 07/01/85 comes to mind as one of my favorite drum segments.The November Richmond shows were flawless but overall 85' year was sub-par I do however feel that year was a continuation of the gradual slide toward the summer of 86' coma of Jer. Got on the bus in 76 stayed on and believe as WT said still on it. JEr was a bit scary to see, bloated disconnected and seemingly going through the motions in 84 and 85'. The lack of concern for his health and the ugly progression of addiction was taking it's toll.
I'm an semi old fart of 52 and still loving the ride.

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Poster: ice9freak Date: Mar 10, 2011 1:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Fans of '85 in general might find the following addition to LMA's John Cipollina collection interesting:

http://www.archive.org/details/cipollina1985-06-09.Holtz.Naks.JAZ.flacf

The band features Bobby, Brent, and Merl Saunders (among others) performing at the Haight Street Fair just under a week before the Dead's first show of the summer (at the Greek).

Wang Dang Doodle is a really nice version, but the last three tunes of this show flat out smoke. Sounds like John pulls out his cable for a noisy, gritty little solo in Mona. (Tom Morello eat your heart out!)

Did I mention that this is also an incredible sounding AUD? Do your ears a favor!

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Mar 10, 2011 8:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Welcome. I think it so very cool that younger folks are still discovering the amazing music this band played. I'm terrible with shows and setlists...that's what I have my amazing husband for...I just went to see Furthur a couple of nights ago and came home to my husband knowing the setlist better than I did and he wasn't at the show. Anyway, I danced my way onto the bus 25 years ago April 3rd...and never got off. Enjoy your journey into their music...it's life changing. AR is right...you've got good taste!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Mar 10, 2011 10:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

LOL. I remember scattered tunes, sometimes from waaaay back in the mists of time, but whole setlists? And even more ... comparative versions of tunes, with critical analysis, on the spot, at a show? Along with who played what particularly well or not, compared to last week, yada yada? As if! It's more like, "They played Loser and I was excited when I heard the first notes cuz I love that one!" End of analysis.

Btw Deb, my son said last night that he'd like to go see Furthur. So maybe there's hope for the Younguns after all :-) Now that would be an expensive ticket from here!!!

I can't believe your hubby didn't go. Or did you ban him, lest he just go "grumble grumble it's not 6-24-70" the whole time? :-)

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Mar 12, 2011 4:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

You hit the nail on the head, AR...S is not allowed to go to indoor shows because of the grumbling...outdoors is fine...
as for the youngens- I don't know if I want them to want to go to a show...it wouldn't be just mine anymore ;) Plus, I've always been against kids at shows especially indoor ones.
I used to try to keep a setlist during a show but never got past the 2nd or 3rd song of the first set before I forgot about it...like I said in another post, it's all about the dancing for me. I will leave all the analysis to my sweet husband.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Mar 12, 2011 8:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

If it were a real possibility, I honestly don't know if I'd take him or not. I like the idea of giving him a chance to get a sense of what it's like -- the historical experience and all. But yeah, indoor shows ... cough cough ... and you've got a point, too, that then the show isn't "yours" anymore. He'd probably be looking at me like, "Geez, my mom is so emBARRasing!"

I did used to have an image in my head that if I ever had a kid, I'd take him/her to shows ... but I also thought I'd be agreeable to backpacking across Alaska with a baby on my back. When mommyhood hits, all of a sudden fuzzy ideas like that seem to give way to, "Oh no, the corner of that coffee table looks SO sharp!"

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Mar 13, 2011 8:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

I had those crazy romantic ideas too...until I actually had my first child...gone were the days...
*cough, cough* is a great way to describe an indoor show...I'm always amazed at how much smoke there is...especially in places that don't usually see smoke...I wonder what Radio City will be like!
I have seen way too many young teens sitting playing nintendo DS's at shows...looking horribly bored while their parents are stuck next to them looking horribly reserved! I know I couldn't be as free as I am at shows with my kids in tow. I'm good with them finding their own thing (though, I do secretly hope that by the time they reach adulthood they will have come to their senses about the Grateful Dead-seriously, how can you not like them?)

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Mar 13, 2011 9:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Wow. I'm having a hard time absorbing that picture. Kids sitting at a show playing with a ... well, I don't really know what a Nintendo DS is (presumably not DS as in Dark Star), but I figure it's like a Gameboy. That is SO wrong on SO many levels!

Like, the parents brought the kids along, but equipped then with an electronic babysitter, because, um, they KNEW the kids would be bored? Then why bring them?!?!? And then the kids zone out into virtual e-land, while all around them is music and dancing and people enjoying themselves ... oh sheesh. Talk about the opposite of "Be Here Now."



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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Mar 13, 2011 10:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Don't even get me started on the small screens. I remember when D & I first noticed this, probably 3 years ago at the Radio City Christmas Spectacular w/ the Rockettes. Many (scores?) of kids playing on little screens. What was the point?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 11, 2011 6:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Tell us about the show when you get a chance?

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Mar 12, 2011 4:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

I have to admit that I base my reviews of shows as to whether or not they were really fun to dance to and if the venue was relaxed...3/8/11 gets high praise for both of those things...As for the music itself, well...I'm convinced that it is a completely different experience to just sit and listen to Furthur or to go to a show and dance...somehow the music sounds much better when dancing. I had a great time and the folks I was with also did...I guess that's what is ultimately most important!

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Poster: drspark61 Date: Mar 10, 2011 7:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

And then there was this unusual tour-ending show:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-09-15.sbd.miller.34722.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Mar 10, 2011 1:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

I was very pleasantly surprised by this '85 you recommended when I checked it out a while back. The surprising set list is not be outdone by the inspired playing. I like this juicy AUD: http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-09-15.aud.zelner.13600.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: zeroenvy Date: Mar 10, 2011 5:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Welcome, 23 here.. This is the only place i have to read peoples thoughts on the dead as i dont know anyone else who likes them as much as me.

I never got into the summer of 85 but this is one of my fav's from 85.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-03-25.sbd.brame.15403.shnf

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Mar 9, 2011 10:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

welcome. dunno much about '85 either...so sorry for a somewhat useless post here. but i just wanted to chime in because i always thought i was one of the very youngest here (i'm 26 in 2 days), and it's nice to know other younger folks appreciate the band as much as i do, probably more!

i always thought one thing that's cool about summer '85 is the revival of Cryptical Envelopment - even if it's mostly poorly executed. one of my favorite Dead revivals.

i thought DP 21 had some pretty good music. sort of grows after a while. but i can't say it's one that's in heavy rotation for me...

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Mar 10, 2011 5:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Yeah I actually am pretty sure that I liked some of it, but I was extremely underwhelmed by much of it. I'll put it on my ipod and give it another listen.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Mar 10, 2011 8:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

I found it to be hit or miss. Set One isn't bad, just kinda boring. After a perfunctory Samson the pre-drums is very mellow, followed by a more rousing post drums. It doesn't work for me, but I do listen to it. All chopped up like a RT.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Mar 9, 2011 9:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Welcome! You're the youngest person I know of on this forum after myself. I'm 21.

I've never dug into 1985 at all myself, I guess I believe the people who say it sucks. I listened to DP21 once and I was angry that I paid money for it. I'll check out your suggestion tomorrow though, thanks.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 10, 2011 6:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

DP (deadpolitics) was 22 when he started here...suppose he'd older now, but I still consider him a punk (this is a term of affection used by broken down old farts like me).

You youngsters almost form a group like the gals do these days...IE, there are ~ 5 of you it seems? I think being a minority (in this trivial sense of course) is always nice--makes you 'special', in a good way. I try to talk myself into such an idiosyncratic position that no one else will be a part of "my group", but not sure it's working...

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Mar 10, 2011 1:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

I remember when I was a little weirded out by being called DP, but it hasn't seemed to cause much of a ruckus around here considering the decidedly homo-erotic nature of the humor around here.

Pretty well rounded demographics around here these days, wouldn't you say, my lizard loving friend?

p.s. Did they build a solar power plant in your backyard yet?

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Mar 10, 2011 6:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Aw thanks Tell, and I have to say I agree with you. That I'm special, that is. Sometimes this feels like a support group with all of us nursing our addiction to collecting and obsessively listening to Dead tapes; like a young alcoholic in an AA meeting I feel truly embraced by The Group. We have a similar anonymity thing going as well.

I'm happy to announce, though, that I've officially embraced a "modern" band for the first time in my life, Radiohead! I've been listening to almost nothing else for the past two weeks or so. Although I'm sure I'll get back to some primo '68 any moment now.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 10, 2011 6:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Oh, trust me, the last thing I want is to be considered part of "your group". Talk about "special" (not necessarily in a good way though).

That bus is getting shorter and shorter as we age.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Mar 10, 2011 7:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

That's b/c you take all the seats up front! Pushing and shoving w/the walkers and swinging the canes..

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 10, 2011 8:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Not surprising that Billy's group is called 7 Walkers. Hard to stand up to a front line armed with 7 instruments of aluminium intimidation.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Mar 10, 2011 1:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

And I started laughing when I read your reply... then I read the next one. Incredible. You all need to get together and write skits for SNL.

I usually open up threads to learn something about the music, and I am nearly always gifted with laughs about something else altogether.

Ba ba ba ba ba, I'm lovin' it.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 10, 2011 8:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

"...with 7 instruments of aluminium intimidation"

sounds like Rob's collection of self-pleasuring devices

:)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 10, 2011 8:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Bastard. You promised not to tell. I won't be sharing with YOU again!

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 10, 2011 8:25am
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...and if you ever decide TO share again, please do a better job of disenfecting first, Dire just got over a rather unpleasant rash from the last time.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 10, 2011 8:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

And you know about this rash how exactly?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 10, 2011 8:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Let's just say it's the gift that keeps on giving.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 10, 2011 8:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Cow boy Dire does love to share the joy.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 10, 2011 8:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

The "joy" is ok, it's the festering sores I can do without.



OK, OK, I think I just crossed a line there.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 10, 2011 8:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

the fungal culture from the petri dish DID look pretty amazing under the microscope though. kinda like a Dali painting that went through a warm water wash cycle.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Mar 10, 2011 1:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

and then I kept reading... oh my dear... thankfully I don't take much seriously on here except when you guys talk about replacement hips and knees.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Mar 10, 2011 6:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

I'm turning 40 next month, and every morning I get up to the sound of Snap, Crackle, and Pop.

and I'm not talking Rice Krispies either.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 10, 2011 2:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

The key is not to take anything or anyone seriously - especially those who appear to be taking themselves seriously. It's all bullshit fundamentally.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Mar 10, 2011 4:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

This is so very true, Rob. Now, those people who take themselves seriously... I'm working on transmuting my desire to smack them on the head and tell 'em to wake up into a laugh. The thing is, they always seem to want some words from you to acknowledge their serious bit of information. In that moment, I am learning how to respond without being an ass, even though that is my instinct.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 10, 2011 8:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Perhaps this is an occasion when a little judicious post editing would be more than justified.


You can count on me not to let on what (or who) went down.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 10, 2011 8:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

and to think i corrupted a post started by a new forum member. i should be ashamed of myself.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 10, 2011 8:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

I cannot think of a better way to welcome a new Poster then a good ol' fashioned pre-pubescent hijack. No higher form of flattery.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 10, 2011 8:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Maybe it's just as well that the newcomers know what they're getting in to early on. Though it could be that's why so many beat a hasty retreat and are never heard from again.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 10, 2011 8:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

"...beat a hasty retreat"

I wish that was all Dire was beating.


Holy crap, there is no end to this.

(There, I practically gift wrapped that one for you)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 10, 2011 9:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

If it's ok with you I'm not touching the ribbon on that one.

Are there no depths of depravity to which you will not stoop in your unceasing attempts to corrupt the innocent members of this fair forum?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 10, 2011 9:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

i'm just sittin here beatin it on down the line (since the line was crossed, i figured i would beat it into submission)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 10, 2011 9:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

It takes all you got just to stay on the beat.

So I hear.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 10, 2011 9:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

i always keep my trusty metronome nearby the kleenex just to make sure

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 10, 2011 9:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Just when I think I'm making a glorious end run back into Grateful Dead territory I get sacked by the libidinous linebacker.

Sheeesh!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 10, 2011 9:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

a glorious end run huh ?!

i may be a "libidinous linebacker" but certainly your "end" is not "defensive"

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 10, 2011 10:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

I used up my entire stock of American football terminology on that last post (it's a stupid game anyway). Looks like I'll just have to get back to calling you a bozo.

:-)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 10, 2011 11:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

yeah, didnt know if I could throw in some more terminology or not. hope i did not confuse you too much ;)

it was a weak joke anyways :(

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 10, 2011 11:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

"newcomers know what they're getting in to early on"

There is simply too much to work with here; I generally stick to the obscure, the vague, and the barely intelligible--made all the moreso via abbrev's--before initiating a string of one liners...

Hope all is well; say hello to "my little friend" just emerging from hibernation out West (Mohave Rattlesnake, BTW).



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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 10, 2011 8:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Like you said, you just can't resist it.

:-)

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 10, 2011 8:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Very witty, Wilde.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Mar 10, 2011 8:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

I can't wait for his reply!
Thank you for a tears in my eyes laugh dire.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 10, 2011 8:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

i just couldnt resist :)

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Mar 10, 2011 9:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Steely Dan?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 10, 2011 7:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

>I try to talk myself into such an idiosyncratic position that no one else will be a part of "my group", but not sure it's working...

Oh, it's working ...

sorry just couldn't resist :)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 10, 2011 7:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

That was for the likes of SDH et al., but glad to see you take advantage of the set-up as well. Besides, you're just a punk in my book too. Special? Well--funny thing is, recall when it was just a tad awkward being a clear member of 'the' small group? That was what I was getting at yesterday--that certainly seems okay now (my read anyhoo...).

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 10, 2011 10:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

"..the likes of SDH"

Not to worry, old son. I like no one.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 10, 2011 10:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

The likes of SDH have been well advertised hereabouts over the years.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 10, 2011 10:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

I actually appreciate the non-profane interpretation of that.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 10, 2011 10:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

I thought you might. Very well played today, sir.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 10, 2011 8:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

You don't have to look too long when you're hunting the snark around here.
:-)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 10, 2011 11:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Oh--too funny! I provided a pic of a snake (nee snark) just for you in my other reply, so there you have it! Lives near SDH too...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 10, 2011 9:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

sheesh, now that I've read the rest of the thread, I'm embarrassed to have participated in any way :)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 10, 2011 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

sorry - i'm not much of a fan of '85. must have been a subconscious reason for hijacking it with such tomfoolery.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 10, 2011 12:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

No need to apologize to me :) I'm not hurt if '85 is dissed.

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Poster: utopian Date: Mar 10, 2011 9:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

You said -
"I've never dug into 1985 at all myself, I guess I believe the people who say it sucks."

If you would like to make up your own mind
listen to;
4-7-85 ll
4-27-85 dancin
4-28-85
6-27-85 eyes
6-28-85 my second favorite cr&s, nice birdsong, a magical terrapin

85 and the band was evolving yet again. Faster sound with the band
taking some chances musically that sometimes brilliantly paid off. This was the 25th anniversary tour, they were breaking out some old songs and playing more covers. Jerry was wearing alot of red t shirts (watchout!), and his voice got really hagged after the summer 84 tour. Many peoples beef w 85 is jerrys voice.

There was a time when shows were harder to come by. Analog trading, relix, and all day dub sessions, and a 2nd to 4th generation tape was pretty good. There was a upsurge of lowgen sbd's from 85 that came from the lighting crew, and this may have swayed peoples opinion of a few
shows and bumped them up a few more notches than normal, adding to the list of some of the more overrated shows in memory. Especially the Greek 85 run, sorry I don't get it.

That dicks picks from 85 is an atrocious pick to be released as well.
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But I have spent a considerable time equally listening to most eras, sans 92-95 which i havnt been able to appreciate, and start to get really itchy.


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Poster: lobster12 Date: Mar 10, 2011 10:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

85 is a weird year for me. Jerry sounds like hell most of the time but the oddball set lists and covers are appealing. Most of the early part of the year and Spring leave a lot to be desired but then some nice gems in the summer and fall. Crap shoot year I guess

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Mar 10, 2011 10:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Trying the 6/27/85 eyes... thanks for the suggestions

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Poster: jacofny Date: Mar 10, 2011 10:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Greetings.

The grateful dead have been a part of my musical reality since I've been 14 years old...I'm now 52.
I was on tour in 85

Saratoga and Rochester shows were the best!!

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Poster: polarized blue Date: Mar 10, 2011 12:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Welcome. I am still kind of new as a member, but I've been a regular (daily) anonymous user for 8 years or more - I'm glad I finally joined up. I was prob about 18-19 when I started getting curious about the Grateful Dead, except that was 1983, I was born in '65, same summer as the band. It's true what was said, "There's nothing like a Grateful Dead concert". You can hear the recordings, and that is the next best thing to being there. My sister was a bit younger, and I never brought her to a show, but she became a huge fan through listening to the tapes I made her.

I have really enjoyed a lot of the 1985 summer shows. Two of my favorite are:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-06-27.sbd.miller.27863.sbeok.flacf Cuyahoga Falls
and http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-06-25.sbd.miller.18663.sbeok.shnf Saratoga, MY

While it may be true, there are some unsavory moments, overall these shows rock, and over in the west coast from a week or so earlier, was the Greek Theater shows!! I agree with you about the sound effects, very nice point in the progression of the sound. Not sure about technically if the band was playing music any differently, but there are unique things about it, I guess that's true of any era of the Dead.

I'll take a listen to your show there again, maybe this morning. Take care.

Just re-read what I wrote, and the post from AltheaRose, I should say I've enjoyed the '85 tapes - my first show was in 1986! So I was one of the new fans in the pre-Touch video days, before that song went to the top of the charts. I was so pleased when they became popular, because I figured people were 'getting it' and catching onto what I knew was a great thing. Sadly, I think it's also true that some people were just there to be part of the scene because they thought it was cool, but didn't really take much notice of the music. I was there for the music

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 10, 2011 9:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Welcome aboard

Was at the Saratoga show. One of my favorite East Coast venues, no doubt. Also agree that while the crowds were indeed growing by this time, it hadn't quite reached the frenzied expansion it would later on. I recall the "vibe" as you say still being quite mellow, for the most part. The ratio of cool folks to drunk frat boys was still in our favor.
As for DP21, this is a show that I agree takes a few times listening to in order to really appreciate if you weren't in the building that night. Give it another spin and really focus on the emotion pouring out of Jerry. Yes it is heavy on the slower tunes, but there is a reason. Jerry had his heart on his sleeve and we in the audience were mesmerized.
While 85 had some clunkers no doubt, it also had some fine performances the quality of which became harder and harder to find until the brief resurgence later on.

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Poster: svengun Date: Mar 10, 2011 12:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Welcome aboard

SDH - so YOU WERE there, that explains the cow in the parking area I saw with the hurt expression on her face LOL!

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 10, 2011 1:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Welcome aboard

No fair. She got cab fare home.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Mar 10, 2011 5:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

6/27 was one I was lucky enough to be at. Blossom is a beautiful outdoor venue. I think they got too big after this year and couldn't play there again :-(

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Mar 10, 2011 6:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Excepting the last show at Pitts. Civic, all the shows from this tour were in pretty cool venues! Most of these sheds were alike, but yet unique because of their different surroundings. Sadly, the only thing I really remember of Blossom was that it seemingly was in the middle of nowhere. Drove all night from Cincy to Blossom, so slept much of the day until close to show time, so didn't get to explore the surroundings much.
I always enjoyed outdoor shows and this tour was no exception!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Mar 10, 2011 6:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Hey, it's a reunion! I was at Cincy, too, and also the Merriweather Posts you mentioned. Did not make Pittsburgh. I think my boyfriend had to actually get back to work or something. Blossom's just outside of Cleveland, which is where I lived then, so I got to freshen up at my house. Nya nya nya nya nya :-)

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Mar 10, 2011 7:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

Reunion indeed!
Cincy was fun! Spent alot of the day in the water park next door and then on into the show. Will always remember the great lightning display out over the river during the end of the first set. (or was it the beginnign of the 2nd set?)
I lived in DE (still do), so after the Hershey show on the 28th, I got to go home and sleep in my own bed for a couple of nights before heading out to Merriweather on the morning of the 30th. that was indeed a blessing after a week in a tent.
I also seem to recall taking the coldest shower of my life in a waterfall / stream somewhere near the venue in Saratoga. Felt great to be clean, but damn that water was coollldddd...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Mar 10, 2011 10:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the forum...the mysterious joy of june 1985.

I remember that lightning! Don't recall when in the show, but the reviews mostly indicate it was 2nd set, and a lot of people remember it being during Samson. They have better memories than me, LOL. I thought it went on for a long time, like most of that second half.

I was at a couple shows where the weather got wild and the band seemed to be playing with the storm. But the only one where I actually remember a specific tune was Merriweather Post in '83 when lightning hit the sound system during Wharf Rat and Phil responded with these huge thunder bombs that just resonated like a force of nature itself. I think you can hear it here.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd83-06-20.fob-senn.sws.11931.sbeok.shnf

It was amazing the way they could turn what could really be a bummer -- you're at this show, wanting to dance in the summer warmth, and it's bloody raining on you! (or bloody raining on you AGAIN!) -- into something really exciting and fun. Like the storm was invited to be part of the band, or they were in a contest with it, or ... whatever you wanted to think.

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